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Post by donk on Dec 13, 2015 0:03:44 GMT -5
Don't look!!! Not if you are not initiated!! You need to be at least Operating Thetan level 2 to not catch pneumonia or MS or die or something when you look at it. ...still here? OK, don't say I didn't warn ya: That's the sacred document of LRon's collection of "tech", the "wall of fire"...when you can wrap your brain around that, you're well on your to becoming "clear". It used to take a huge chunk of your life and tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to get to...the Internet allows innocents to be exposed for free, and irresponsible peeps like myself to cause LRon-only-knows how much harm. Anyway I was told that this was seriously entity infested, that the best white wizards were working on it and can't it get free of its demons. Is there anything to that theory? What should I think of someone who seriously give the warnings I am presenting to you? Are we doomed as a species, if we can't rid that bitch of its evil infestation? Or is there a chance...do we just need a more serious task to work even harder on it? Maybe try posting it on PA and see what the wizards over there have to say about it?
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Post by Simon on Dec 14, 2015 15:31:11 GMT -5
Oh, perhaps before reading the above ... dammit too late haha
For anyone else who can't make it out :
Data (1) (1) The head of the Galactic Confederation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet -- 178 billion on average) by mass implanting. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H Bomb on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2) and then the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic Area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged." His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants. When through with his crime Loyal Officers (to the people) captured him after 6 years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confed.) has since been a desert.
Wow ! And people really do believe this bullsh1t !
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Post by donk on Dec 14, 2015 19:11:58 GMT -5
Well there's two sets of beliefs to look at when you talk about this "piece" in particular:
1. The actual story, which a non-literalist can claim it's something beyond the space opera surface 2. The beliefs about being "exposed" to the knowledge before your properly initiated...there's belief in the "faith" that it literally will make you physically ill or dead if you read it before you've advanced to the proper Operating Thetan level
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Post by Simon on Dec 15, 2015 16:09:14 GMT -5
Oh, honestly "Scientology" is one big mind fcuk that manages to justify itself because there seems to be some kind of Subjective progress made with their auditing sessions ... However were any of it even remotely "true" it would've been independently replicated in an objective, rigorous and scientific manner by non-Scientologists eh ?
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Post by donk on Dec 15, 2015 21:25:05 GMT -5
Well then that brings this material to another of level of being a "wall of fire".
I've told this story before, and maybe it doesn't even matter, but it would have to me had it been available when I was new on the forums: Bill Ryan wanted me to believe that he believed #2 up that there...that it was his responsibility to protect ME and those I was exposing to it from the physical harm he believes it causes.
Those defenders of the idea that his leadership, his presence, is vital, necessary for their community no longer have an excuse to be in denial of that.
He created that reality, on the image of his integrity. Part of who he actually is though, is someone who chooses to hide what consider a pretty important belief, a part of his identity I wish I knew BEFORE I was emotionally attached and energetically invested in the community created around his character.
You see why I'm not exactly thrilled with the prospect of a community emerging here? It's a huge responsibility, i feel I owe everyone who joins access to all of my beliefs, especially my strongest ones and ones I think can prevent harm.
While I enjoy doing that, the responsibility of making certain to forget or give the appearance of hiding or lying is a standard I try to hold myself to and I welcome the challenge, but the more peeps along the more work.
But on the other hand...I really DO want anyone looking for an "internet community" or information exchange of any kind to know about that fact: he feels it's important to actively occult this document, which I find anti ethical to any sort of "truth" or "disclosure" forum.
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Post by Simon on Dec 16, 2015 12:32:00 GMT -5
Hmmm ... IMHO it could only possibly "cause harm" IF the person WHO reads it is already heavily involved with "Scientology" ... Why ? Because it would likely expose them to information that isn't typically available until certain requirements (brain-washing episodes) have already been met (taken place) ! Otherwise, frankly, it's a load of Bullsh1t that no non-Scientologist should even consider as being in any way serious, LOL LOL
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Post by Simon on Dec 16, 2015 17:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Dec 16, 2015 20:00:38 GMT -5
Yeah I thought they did a really good job. And I really love the Jason Beghe interview featured in it...I could listen to that dude for hours and hours...he kills me, man
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Post by Simon on Dec 17, 2015 5:06:52 GMT -5
Oh, I certainly got the impression that with Scientology : "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" ! No doubt the Auditing sessions had some "affect" on people's Consciousness but without addressing the underlying sense of 'I' (the Ego) surely they were all duped into embarking on some major "Ego Trip" towards the heady levels of OTIII and above
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Post by donk on Dec 17, 2015 6:40:46 GMT -5
There's that level to it, sure, but there's also personal to LRon's potential being a user of black magick...I'd think most appropriately started at the "Babalon Workings" or whatever it was called, are you familiar with that?
Apparently he and Jack Parsons engaged in some ritual attempting to create a "moon child" with sex magick, hoping to impress Alestiar Crowley in the process. So there's an angle to the projecting of that kind of demon infestation and power on to the document itself, I guess.
My point in bringing it up: wouldn't you want to know that's what he founder believes, that his belief in that power and demon infestation on a digital image of scribbles on a paper is so dangerous in his mind, he'd leave his forum supposedly all about disclosure and scienfic analysis of spiritual beliefs to warn one person that he needs to be occulting it from all of the others?
I'm more than happy to discuss the institution that is the CoS, though this thread was not about them, it is about individual's belief about a particular "scripture". The occulting of beliefs, and special treatment of certain ideas and individuals.
In my forum journeys I witnessed what appeared to be something similar to what i experienced happen to Corey Goode's wife, which would be interesting to get confirmation on. I also watched any attempt to discuss the ot3 promptly shut down by every individual that I noticed try to post it, always of course their idea to close the thread they started, I'm guessing because they got the version of the 10k word and attention I was special to get for posting it.
maybe I'm he only that cares, that it bothers so much. I just think that some of the people that didn't notice might start seeing things differently...and those that do see it and lie to themselves need to consider how "harmless" letting that shit go unchallenged really is
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Post by fredsteeves on Dec 19, 2015 7:52:00 GMT -5
Hey there Phil,
So yeah, even though the aging Crowley thought the whole Babalon Working thing was ridiculous and was outraged, Parsons was convinced his dark working had indeed succeeded. You know what? I actually tend to believe it *did* work, just perhaps not how he intended. That's another story though.
In other related news, I recall reading somewhere that Parsons considered Hubbard the most naturally gifted magician he had ever come across, too bad that naturally gifted magician also wound up running off with Parson's girlfriend and some very expensive yachts. Some friend huh? Not someone I would seek spiritual council from, fo sho...
Cheers
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Post by donk on Dec 19, 2015 11:24:37 GMT -5
So do you think LRon's may be cursed and demon infected?
And what are we supposed to do when we come across such items? Is it best to bury and protect others from?
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Post by fredsteeves on Dec 20, 2015 10:24:25 GMT -5
So do you think LRon's may be cursed and demon infected? And what are we supposed to do when we come across such items? Is it best to bury and protect others from? I know bad joo joo when I see it, and I've never seen any of it attached to the OT 3 material.
As to the second question, I'm going to raise some eyebrows here by playing a bit of devil's advocate on this most complex subject. I can sympathize somewhat with Bill's hard stand on the OT 3 material over at PA/ULTRA. Every religion has it's set of strict beliefs, with some being the very cornerstone of the whole structure. I see this situation as being not dissimilar to the deep held belief in Christianity that the occult aisle at say, a Barnes & Noble book store, is filled with nothing but Satan's lies and deceptions. And that only by accepting Jesus into your life as your Lord and personal Savior, through the precious blood he shed on the cross (human sacrifice) at Calvary, will save our sorry asses.
I was raised Christian, took Bible class in Christian schools, and was even a holy roller for a while until sex, drugs and rock & roll took over in my late teens. Thank god LOL!!! Anyway, the only reason I share is because through that period of deep indoctrination, *I Know* how a dedicated Scientologist must feel about the sacred OT levels, especially #3. And more so, I lived amongst them (Scientologists) for more than 40 years in Clearwater Florida, their world wide spiritual headquarters. Whether under Miscavige headquartered in Clearwater and L.A., or spread about the world in the Free Zone, to Scientologists of all stripes Hubbard is still a god never to be questioned or second guessed. Just like a Jehova, or an Allah. (Or as a Bill Ryan type, in the lower case setting of the Hermetic axiom "as above so below". It's up to the observer to either notice this type of thing or not. To either see the red flags as what they really are, or to ignore them in order to maintain that comfy zone. Hey, I know what it's like. Been there done that! Buyer beware, and *never* be afraid to ask the unsettling questions either of yourselves, or your heroes.) Sorry about that little detour, devil's advocate hat back on.
I know anyone who is a Project break away got sick and tired of hearing we're guests in "Bill's house", and yes over time it sounded more and more like the repeated squawk of a mindless parrot, but really when you get down to it it *IS* Bill's house to do whatever he pleases. I reckon he just doesn't want OT 3 to be introduced into his house, any more than a holy roller forum owner wants me posting a link to Aleister Crowley's "Magick in Theory and Practice" in his/her house. Not that there's any relation in the two subject matters, just to make the point.
Expanding out now to the question of should *any* form of knowledge stay hidden. I reckon a good starting answer might well be a question? What about the ancient Mystery Schools? Was a master such as Pythagoras going to give the keys to the car so to speak to just any curious student? Not on your life, and rightly so! Hell, a lot of us have knowledge of certain things that we hold very close to the vest. Do we not?
Devil's advocate hat hereby removed.
Cheers!
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Post by donk on Dec 21, 2015 11:29:43 GMT -5
I don’t know much about the ancient mystery schools or others’ beliefs or indocterinations…I am interested in the reality I am currently experiencing, particularly where a quite literal “wall of fire” is placed before those who were unaware of this specific belief Bill would have me (and apparently others, from what I can discern of what I’ve seen in other similar attempts in public to discuss this) believe that he believes.
He crossed forums to warn of me this belief he has. Yet did not feel his flock were responsible enough to share it with them. If you are accepting of this, it is not really a wall for you. But those who believe occulting knowledge and hiding your strongest beliefs…especially when they are dangerous to others…if they see this, their denial needs to be as strong as an OT4 scientologist to get through it and continue to believe that BR is the person he portrays himself to be.
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Post by Simon on Dec 21, 2015 17:07:40 GMT -5
Oh, it seems Donk, you're mightily upset about BR's behaviour with respect to this LRH OT3 "stuff" ... so much so that you're calling into question his "character" so-to-speak in that you imply he's not who he portrays himself as, correct ? But, let's be honest, you don't seriously expect somebody to openly share, especially online, their deepest most personal secrets (beliefs) do you ? I have to say I think that is being somewhat unrealistic about the nature of online forums and the internet in general ! Just saying
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