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Post by donk on Dec 21, 2015 21:34:04 GMT -5
Definitely seems to be the case now doesn't it?
But that sounds to me like the favorite meme of these online forums, shitty behavior is in our nature. Greed, selfishness, competition, darkness, etc...part of "human nature".
I like the other meme better, the one about creating our own reality.
What's unrealistic to me is that there's some "force", or as you say "nature" to forums or the Internet, just toxic individuals keeping them in loops, just like in real life....few bad apples using the information (power) they have to manipulate those who don't.
It's not his OT3 beliefs that concern me, I'm not even convinced he believes it...it's the lies we tell ourselves that he's responsible for.
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Post by donk on Jan 20, 2016 8:10:32 GMT -5
Ahhhh, one of my old favorites, a very educational thread was bumped by resident Scientology advocate cuitilac recently: projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59276-Q-and-A-about-Ron-Hubbard-Bill-Robertson-Scientology-the-Free-Zone-and-Ron-s-Org&p=676979&viewfull=1#post676979Start at the beginning if you can, it's quite interesting. But if you can't through all that Hubbard-speak, that post shows what Bill wanted the public to believe he believed about the OT3, kudos to him for not removing my post. If I remember correctly, and if I know me...I probably asked, so let me go take a trip down memory lane... --added-- So I glanced through and I do end bringing up how in a thread that was then called LRH (thanks for that one jiminii! I think the title end up getting changed) everyone was talking about like there was a lot more to it. Hey my friend, the artist formerly known as weareone, the bump was thanking for you an early post in thread. Seems the photos of our "sand art" do endure. --more additions!!-- Oh shit I actually read the post he/she used to bump the thread, and that is definitely my old friend we-are-one or however she spelled her handle, apologies...i just saw the name
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Post by donk on Jan 20, 2016 8:32:39 GMT -5
What I did notice in that thread, not one word of warning. The ten thousand word pm he sent to me was only "real for me", I guess, like he says in the thread...the entities he told me were attached to it, the physical harm posting it was causing me, all of those thing he told me in private...only for me. His poor flock exposed to that dangerous .jpeg, his unaware followers safe by him deflecting attention away from discussing it.
He called me irresponsible for posting it...on a different forum, which he felt was so important as to admit he saw it there. How responsible is he then, for what transpired in that thread?
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Post by anon on Mar 2, 2016 6:37:22 GMT -5
Bill Ryan actually believes this?
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Post by donk on Mar 2, 2016 12:37:12 GMT -5
I have no idea what he actually believes...and perhaps if I can ever get in to my old email again I'll dig up the PM...but around 3 years he wanted me to believe that he believed the stuff I said...strongly enough to admit to me he read my posts on it on TOT. Don't take my word for it, try posting it up on PA yourself...here's the one I used from a quick google search: bloggegenscientology.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/28052013-01-scientology-leak-ot-iii-story-hubbard-handwritten.jpgMake it a legitimate thread, one that would be weird for him to object to. And let me know what happens.
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Post by donk on Mar 2, 2016 12:46:16 GMT -5
I did, there in fact. And am continuing to do so now. I guess my "secrets" aren't as "dangerous" as most peoples', but I try to encourage others to open up...I think it's a good thing.
And as to his "character", I'm no longer all that upset, I could really give a shit....NOW. I was upset when I was emotionally attached to PA and the image I had of him, it was quite a shock. I thought he believed he was creating a place where "science and spirituality met", where occulted information is openly discussed...it was offensive to me at the time that I had opened up so much in a place founded by a guy who actively occulted information.
If you don't think it says something about character, I don't know what to tell ya. It says something to me, and hopefully anyone else on the fence after being sucked into what I consider a "cultish" environment.
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Post by donk on Mar 2, 2016 12:47:06 GMT -5
...ah, guess you're afraid to reveal yourself? oh well, was nice (trying) to talk to you....
my post above was to one that "anon" removed saying something about how I was upset at the revelation of BR's character and other valid points...weird (s)he'd take the post down. It's weird that they were able to do that...I guess my settings up on this thing are a little loose, have to start quoting the whole post. Live and learn.
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Post by donk on Mar 2, 2016 13:01:49 GMT -5
Quite honestly, I really had a hard time believing he believed it...he gave me all those 10k words that he bragged to the forum about "helping me" with, and punctuated with an "oh your MS attack quite possibly could have been from your irresponsibly posting it"...or something to that effect, in his way. I felt like he was baiting me, trying to trigger an emotional outburst that he could use to "expose" me or ban or whatever way my conspiratorial mind imagined him using me.
But as I time went on, I watched as every time the subject came up, threads were promptly locked and buried.
I am not sure what I believe, I would think he'd publicly share his beliefs before exposing his personal "secrets" to me of all people...
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Post by anon on Mar 3, 2016 5:43:53 GMT -5
I was banned from Avalon about years ago so cant post it.
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Post by donk on Mar 15, 2016 11:19:07 GMT -5
Well, that's unfortunate...it makes it difficult. Besides the site being blocked as a "malicious site" by the firewall, it is a real pain in the ass (impossible?) to search it not being a member. If I remember or come across any of the threads I have seen shit down and locked I'll post links... Anyways, here's my light reading for the day(spoiler alert, exert is the conclusion, I have only read like 1/10th of paper so far): www.spaink.net/cos/essays/forde_volcanos.htmlNote: this dude goes into minutae and details I never would have, and don't necessarily find relevant. Just thought it was interesting...
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Post by donk on Mar 21, 2016 6:48:47 GMT -5
Heh...it's not the post I was thinking of but I love this one, which got bumped recently: projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7330-The-quality-of-Avalon-keeping-the-signal-to-noise-ratio-high&p=953100&viewfull=1#post953100"Many of the things you yourself post just add to the 'noise'. When have you recently written something publicly that's educational, inspiring, empowering, or which shares important insights or knowledge, that helps people grow and be bigger, better and wiser than they already are? I'll leave you to reflect on that question. For God's sakes, ________ , you really are doing very little right now, with everything your attention is stuck on, to help the world be a better place. Please work on that to change it. We can all make a difference." That blank was me...the only reason I wish I had membership to that joint is to get my pm's, man I wish I have what I wrote him that he was replying to (which is why I forgive you for thanking that horse shit, my friend ) But what I especially loved about it was the older/wiser carmody's brilliant response: "The older and wiser a person gets the more it looks like many of the people 'out there' tend to offer up to the world the 'angry soggy bottomed monkey pose', where they are angry and then run up to you/whomever, lie on the floor and adopt the leg lifted 'wipe my bottom and change my diaper' pose, all while screeching their discontent. That almost everything they do concerning issues... is, at the core.... one derivation or another of this deeper reality. That this is the sort of fundamental mechanism that is seen to be at play, when one is out there, trying to help fix this world." ...he's got me pegged, I just throw my shit around and play in it while he and the hero/forum he enables...I mean contributes to is out there saving world. God bless you Avalon, BR, carmody et al, your service is appreciated
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Post by donk on Nov 9, 2016 11:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Jun 14, 2017 20:44:23 GMT -5
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