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Post by shezbeth on Dec 25, 2015 15:33:54 GMT -5
He claims to hate it when people refer to him by the moniker assigned by a con artist. If you don't want to piss him off (which is NOT me Xp), call him by his name, Stephen.
Yeah,... he's something else. Quite the prick that one (says the pot of the kettle), though I must admit I don't know if it was 'him' or it was 'his reception to me' (I have an 'effect' on people Xp).
He has a most amusing tendency to 'give his word' as though that has any force behind it. I mean, perhaps it does to him but to the outside person, well that's a statement who's viability has to be THOROUGHLY vetted before having any credibility (at least with me), and when he can clearly be seen giving his word to Bill Ryan in 'the' interview video and then a few years later is singing a completely different tune,....
He's alleged to have all sorts of connections across the music and entertainment industry (which I can't vet), as well as all the stuff that was mentioned at Avalon. He claims 100% accuracy and/or consistency, and that any appearance to the contrary is either A. a misunderstanding or contextual inability to grasp, or B. a product of his agenda of infiltrating (not the correct term, but serviceable) Avalon and the alt community. He maintains to this day that he (and those who's behalf he operates on) were only concerned with Bill (and some of the other douche's in the Alt) and the manner in which his agencies/agendas impede the development of the Alt on an individual basis.
But whatever you do; do not challenge him!
He'll huff and he'll puff!
He's got a couple Youtube videos, including one that shows his face; he's quite keen to keep them under wraps and was doggedly exploring every conceivable method of eliminating them. If you're clever with your YouTube search you can probably find all (that I know of) EXCEPT the face-shot; that one's not at all public and you'll have to REALLY kiss my ass to get it. Xp
I'd still like to smoke a bowl with him tho,....
Oh, and he's quite right to promote Danielle and the Story of Al,... she's got the skills,....
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Post by donk on Dec 26, 2015 23:12:59 GMT -5
I like that "story of Al" and push it when I can: www.inphinet.net/threads/the-story-of-al.240/I don't see how seeing whatever-he-wants-to-be-called's face would benefit me in any way, I certainly didn't get a whole lot out of anything I heard or read from him...so I won't be kissing any asses tonight...unless there's something meaningful he has to contribute?
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Post by shezbeth on Dec 27, 2015 2:17:55 GMT -5
You know, that's the funny thing about it. Anyone I have even mentioned it to has had that response, or an outright predisposition to not touch anything 'Charles' with a ten foot pole. I wasn't expecting any ass kissing, that was just posturing. Xp
Credit where credit is due, he makes a half-decent petty tyrant, but his use as an impetus was short-lived and I found myself not want to suffer insolence from those so unreservedly amongst my associations.
I'm told he's a decent chef though.
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Post by donk on Dec 27, 2015 16:04:27 GMT -5
How did he capture the collective attention of PA?
BR seemed quite taken with him...were they following his lead? It seem odd to you he'd get the treatment he did?
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Post by shezbeth on Dec 27, 2015 18:30:00 GMT -5
If what I have come to perceive WRT Bill is accurate, then I would venture to guess that Bill saw an opportunity for mutual benefit by combining forces and/or collaborating.
One thing I will admit is that Charles is fairly decent at picking brains and identifying motivations, which he will then play off of. I mean Avalon wears its heart on its sleeve, so its just a matter of a 'compelling story', and 'elite insider changing sides' or whatever is pretty compelling to many Alt ppl.
What's more is I can't honestly say if he was deliberately playing/assuming the 'villain' to potentiate an appropriate emergence in those around him. I've used that method before (especially at work!) to great effect, and I won't rule it out in this case.
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Post by donk on Dec 28, 2015 8:14:23 GMT -5
Well, I find it hard to believe Mr. Hodges was able to create the “Charles phenomenon” on his own…hell, he himself might not even be aware in what ways he’s been used. Though from what I’ve read, he does seem to think of himself as an independent, someone knowlegable enough in the dark magick/manipulation by power that he’s above/immune to it…or does he admit to being apprentice to or serving some master?
At any rate, it seems pretty self-defeating to have created the circus that went on for his own selfish purposes…I mean look at him now…if he could capture the entire forum’s attention, and particularly entrance BR so well, and he was doing it for fame, fortune, nookie, or even actually trying to save the world--he seemed to have come up pretty small, though if he was creating, or even just a tool within, a social experiment, well…
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Post by shezbeth on Dec 28, 2015 16:03:57 GMT -5
Well, it has been repeatedly and consistently speculated that he has a handler of sorts, and further that said handler operates on behalf of others. I can neither deny nor confirm but if he does, I can think of at least two probable candidates who have been consistent in his environs throughout multiple years/projects.
Still, I share your skepticism and observance of,... less successful ventures than would be expected given the 'sales pitch'.
Now, whether that is due to deliberate sabotage of his efforts - as has been claimed - or whether that is due to individuals becoming less/not receptive to his behavior over time (as I would find more probable), that too I cannot say for certain; both, probably.
As far as allegations that he still works with Bill Ryan, let me put that to bed.
He does. Oh, its probably not deliberate or even knowingly (he certainly professes vitriol toward Bill in public!), but in both cases is a megalomania that can be observed to obstruct the efforts of the very people he claims to work with; in Charles' case it is the partners, volunteers, and participants, and in Bill's case it is the contributing members themselves.
Both individuals expect a liberal towing of the line and while they respond differently to a refusal, I'd wager that the impetus is the same. ^_~
Still, while Bill has the presence of mind to maintain his composure, Charles feels entitled to liberally not (cuz he's supposed to be 'graduated past' that or something).
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Post by donk on Dec 29, 2015 8:51:35 GMT -5
So Project Camelot, which appeared to be two individuals...one with big ambitions and strong personality, the other with the appearance of humility and integrity, bouncing around interviewing people with interesting stories and "insider Intel".
It also appears they were ahead of the curve, they were the cutting edge of the "alternative community", utilizing camcorders and YouTube in a way no experiencer of anamolous shit had ever seen. It was a magnet draw to a large niche that had yet to be served at that time. "Whistleblowers" seemed to be lining up to talk to a regular gal and the dude peeps seemed to like who brought us the production that was Serpo.
They filled a gap that was gonna filled somehow, "regular" people discerning truth from those responsible for having more than us regular folk. So was it "natural" that a Charles would come along, and take the eager trusting folks dazzled by this new utilization of this interactive created reality?
My own answer is possibly...but I can't accept the "would come along"....that the star of serpo would just "happen upon" one of the biggest (and to me most anamolous) attention draws the budding community had ever seen. Am I getting my recent history correct? Was the attention drawn to him and PA as noteworthy as it seems to me? Had we seen this phenomon before here? I didn't get to Avalon until after Inelia slunk of but was still the cover girl of the welcome page...so I am piecing bits together from "historical" second-hand accounts.
Cuz see the thing is, the "new utilization" these forums had as a practical feature, in fact was the draw for me and what I would have thought was for everyone else as well...is the accessibility of a previously difficult to reach attention from the "truth tellers". But what appeared to happen to me is that the TT class evolved into a celebrity class with a bit of an "invisible wall" erected maybe not even apparent to the forum that perpetuated it, as they seemed fascinated by those like you and me who were "brazen" enough to directly address these people.
Maybe I'm delusional, but it seems to me that so many talk about these people in the very places they can (and should) directly ask questions, and have reality clarified, straightened out beyond the possibility of drama and the bullshit. But alas...they all is people too, and all too often oblivious to the hypocracy of the social norms they inadvertently or not strengthen, behaving in the exact way as those they lead the railing against...with transparency issues, false character and reality creating, hierarchies, "PC" discourse rules, fake "security" and politeness...you name it.
But I digressed in that I was trying to explain the atmosphere I imagined a created forum should be (to me) and supposedly was supposed to be (according to my interpretation of the founder's goals) and explained what I ended finding...somehow a tendancy to fall back into the same patterns, the troubling loops. Then those who tend toward surface level thinking "but it's the nature of the forums/internet"....really??? I thought these places were completely created by those that direct their energy toward it??
Charles' "style" seemed to open people who would have been hesitant to cross that invisible boundary, opened up a whole forum with the promise of actionable Intel, real access to an insider who talks like us common folk. He had the backing of the dude that gave the illusion of good discernment...especially of "truth" and character. Finally the "anti-savior" we've been looking for arrived with an actual mission you and me could join in, the full potential of this medium being realized...and then? Well...
Anyway, to me, it is interesting study. Especially after a cycle seemed to develop, one "failure" after the next...the 12th dimensional being directly from source was the flavor of the month, followed by Simon parkes, which evolved into Corey...the ruiner slips in there....all that with a few steps back you can look at in amazement...but no one seems to want ask: how the fuck did these people get this much attention...with so little vetting, and absolutely NOTHING besides a story for someone believe?
Am I alone thinking that it's more than "human nature"? That given accurate information or at least not being intentionally misdirected, that we as a species would come up with something better? Is the root of this indentifiable?
In my travels, my current best theory is the lies we tell ourselves so enthusiastically, that we defend with all our strength, are the underlying problem...that is our true "human nature", we are easily manipulable...especially when it comes to things we want to believe. I think knowledge of that fact has been weaponized, used against us, but all I have for evidence is my experiences on these forums, which I wouldn't want anyone to believe, at least not on its own, and not just from my narrow perspective.
A huge part of creating this little corner of the Internet was the hopes that others would share theirs, and maybe we could put together a coherent picture and blueprint for something more productive. I really believe we can break the loop, thanks shez for your participation
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Post by Simon on Dec 29, 2015 16:52:30 GMT -5
Quote : "... but no one seems to want ask: how the fuck did these people get this much attention...with so little vetting, and absolutely NOTHING besides a story for someone believe?"
Perhaps because of "Confirmation Bias" from those who got to hear the story first ?
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Post by Lazy_Shezbeth on Dec 30, 2015 13:20:42 GMT -5
Swish from Simon!
I would add that especially with the advent of the internet, 'ease' and 'convenience' have become the rule of the day for most. Participation is not required when one can follow along 'the authority', especially when the authority says 'Just follow me'.
IMO it boils down to apathy. It doesn't appear as apathy to the individual, but that again is testament to the apathy IMO.
I don't mean apathy in the sense of 'not caring' (well,...), I am more referring to the 'apathy toward consequence'; there will always be someone else to follow, and until individuals start to recognize patterns FOR THEMSELVES (discussions like this CAN help though), then they will continue to reap the 'rewards' they potentiate, while providing a demand for the 'figureheads' that have gone (and more WILL come!).
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Post by simon on Dec 30, 2015 13:52:30 GMT -5
Oh, so how about this as a possible scenario to explain the Energetics behind it all : You know how "circles" are used in magickal rituals and as a means of protection as well as keeping the energy "flowing" so-to-speak ? So similarly think of an online forum as being suchlike ... then because its participants are freely giving (open and willing) to the forum's direction, when an Endorsed new personality comes along ALL (or at least most) of the Circle’s energy will automatically flow in their direction right ? Therefore I’d agree with Lazy_Shezbeth who mentioned above where "Authority" (or perhaps giving away one's own authority unquestioningly), is very much key to the whole dynamics of when such things appear to happen ! Swish Swish LOL
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Post by Lazy_Shezbeth on Dec 30, 2015 14:52:41 GMT -5
how the fuck did these people get this much attention...with so little vetting, and absolutely NOTHING besides a story for someone believe? It might take some time, but the following post on Inphinet deals directly with "How they do it". It is a trio of videos pertaining to social engineering. www.inphinet.net/threads/opsec-the-dark-arts.332/#post-4211
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Post by donk on Dec 30, 2015 16:13:18 GMT -5
DAMMIT lazy shezbeth I'm lazier than you (I won't even log out)...is the gist of what you are pointing at (which I will get to eventually, I was busy listenign to you today) along the lines of what Simon's getting at...
I am definitely intrigued by the possibility of the obliviously given energy being used and/or intentionally redirected, in fact it is a theory I've concluded (but am not married to) about the original intention of these places...hell the creation of this place in a lot of ways is an experimental device/procedure in a data collection of sorts...if that makes any sense at all?
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Post by Lazy_Shezbeth on Dec 30, 2015 17:06:35 GMT -5
K. The first video covers methods that con artists (con being an abbreviation of 'Confidence') use to bypass people's 'firewalls' (their incredulity, defense mechanisms, and other means of detecting a 'con'). The speaker - Appolo Robbins (who is featured prominently in the show Brain Games, a show on Netflix which deals with many of the same mental weaknesses and exploit-abilies) - details how to disarm JUST ABOUT ANYONE if one uses the 'proper' methods.
The second video deals with the Art of the Troll, how to go about it, what the 'ethics' are, what the causes and effects can be, etc., and how one can deliberately mislead and misdirect unsuspecting victims just by deliberately engaging in various fallacies and behaviors.
The third video is from a security specialist who - comparable to the movie Sneakers - will deliberately (especially when paid to) compromise security systems, esp. digital AND social ones.
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Post by donk on Dec 30, 2015 18:34:55 GMT -5
Nice...thanks, will check them out.
I dig what I've seen of brain games...though I do miss the version from my youth.
Speaking of which...sneakers??? With Robert Redford...damn, that was like hacking with Apple IIc's, right? I gotta revisit that one
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