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Post by donk on Feb 20, 2016 8:17:32 GMT -5
I used to believe Corey was the evolution of the "Project-style whistleblower", the next step in an increasingly more sophisticated weapon targeting the imagination of those who like to think outside the box. I felt that the pattern we observed: Serpo-->project Camelot-->Charles-->Inelia-->Simon Parkes-->Corey ...wasn't quite a loop, each new production had a level progression, the formula tweaked and fine tuned in one or two characteristics to make them more palatable at rollout, in case (and/or as a result of) the target audience learning something from the previous. All of this of course wrapping some "truth" in a shroud of plausible deniability, as it emerge in an easily mockable place...no matter what it tells itself (or actually is) about its legitimacy. After all, lies don't work if there ain't at least a nugget of reality to hook ya on Shane affirmed this belief, this perception of mind. The attention he captured and way he merged and his continued presence (despite the "traditional debunking") seemed to be the logical next step, Corey being the "link" (certainly not "missing link"...no missing him) between the sorta more distant slightly celebrity-esque Simon and the dude-next-door having extraordinary experiences and lineage. He started of as some dude on PA with some good insider stories to DW's bestie doing the interview circuit...so was a great bridge, also platform for the Ruiner to emerge, the attention the blog "written for a specific audience" got was quite impressive, and happened quick Where Simon was presenting new* and controversial (divisive) spiritual beliefs and reality constructs, and Corey screaming "neither I nor the blue avians are saviors" (...but come with us if you want to live!!!), Shane shares his experience and implores his audience to walk their walk and not follow (or even believe) me. Some of the personality traits that don't appeal to a sector of the community are clearly polar opposite, he has a completely different flavor of charisma...to me at least, and it's the general feeling I get seeing people post how they "like" one but not the other. I could never read Corey, I feel drawn to Shane's writing So to add to the building working hypothesis I outlined above..which I admit could be a paranoid conspiracy theory from my twisted mind, the pattern being worked out in the Project, using BR as a whistleblower generator, is probably different than an old belief I played with: that bill and these people are willing/aware "agents" or sorts...or completely compromised and used beyond their actual awareness...it seems like we're watching an arc where it evolved from the former and has effectively evolved toward the latter...where we should expect the next level being rolled out to seem to be completely "out of nowhere" in the sense they have no prior connection to the "community" or Project but with actual, verifiable mundane history, truly "sterling integrity"...humility, no desire for the nookie, fame & fortune. Hell, to sound completely delusional...if say they'd be rolled out someone like me (assuming I not only actually have the "integrity" I like to believe I have, but the community perceives it trusts me as well) So if you see me doing some YouTube interview with some nobody you can't help but love and believe...check me, check yourself...don't take it on the surface . Maybe we can actually learn and grow from some Intel from some guy we like to like and listen on the Tube, but more than likely it's a intentional trap designed to keep us in the ever spinning of feeling like we "know" and just need that last piece tha someone else's experience can give us a clue about *more like same shit different package but new to a lot of people
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Post by donk on Apr 21, 2016 9:05:26 GMT -5
This is a pretty good thread. I dunno about Dolan “blasting” CG, and more than anything I have concerns with the pedestal he, Joseph P Farrell, and Linda Howe (to me the “alt media’s” ambassadors to the court of the church of authority’s Science) seem to be getting put on within the community…but it’s nice to see some stuff getting analyzed in a mature, detached way: jandeane81.com/threads/9100-Richard-Dolan-blasts-Corey-Goode-and-others-like-him-FINALLY!
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Post by donk on Jun 21, 2016 9:06:52 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Jun 21, 2016 9:09:58 GMT -5
And here is the "honest assessments" I provided to start the discussion, which you should check out on Earth Empaths if you are interested...I am just sticking these here as I think it's pretty relevant "data" to what I'm doing here:
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Post by donk on Jun 21, 2016 10:47:03 GMT -5
And her response:
This is all I'm cutting and pasting...if you're interested in how (if) it unfolds, go to her joint--contribute to the conversation
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Post by donk on Jun 23, 2016 8:23:48 GMT -5
Alright, I lied...this one needs to be put on the record, Shane's 'disclosure':
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Post by donk on Jun 24, 2016 12:15:03 GMT -5
To get on topic, my assessment:
Everyone likes a good yarn, some people are good at spinning especially good ones. Some people good are selling them, and using them to attract attention. I—in particular—am immersed in a CULTure where that is valued, we call it the American Dream…you too can be rich and famous for absolutely nothing of substance, if the spectacle you create is attention grabbing enough.
I can’t change this for the country or the world, but I’m doing my part to try to as much as I can in the reality I experience. So I study this phenomenon, where: -I witnessed an interview a friend did with an individual with an extraordinary story was blown into “whistleblower testimony” possibly connecting dots and bringing truth/information/data to assist in “humanity’s current predicament” on one of the more respected and populated node in the community created to discuss and disclose such things. -I watched the evolution of a myth fueled by the aspect of the audience that is entertained by “far out” stories, as well as the aspect looking for validation for and information about their own extraordinary experiences…with many of the steps in that journey following familiar patterns, that ideally the “community” is intent on trying to change -The story’s not particularly compelling to most, the teller is not necessarily rooted in a tangible integrity of any sort, there seems to be no solid “foundation” for this particular myth-maker to be able to “spin this yarn” this far, yet a respected and supposedly logic/reality/solid-research rooted self-proclaimed “rock star” of the community has latched on and run with it. -We’ve experienced a bit of a roller-coaster ride that spills over into the experiences of people who even don’t want to be involved, but more often and impactful is the effect on the alt-media celebs, more and more of which are directing their energy at addressing it every day…to the point we are now where Christine has posts a nice succinct package DW provides of the current state of the myth.
Further complicating things is that the integrity of the witnesses most intimately involved and therefore qualified to provide data is questionable to most, with Shane’s adventures through the alt-media, Christine’s marriage turmoil through the whole thing, Bill’s own issues with that, as well his need to keep up appearances for the character he creates, and the inevitable questions that come with any other individual that achieves the quasi-celebritydom the community allows with the attention we direct their way.
The conclusion of my assessment is that the direct approach to shedding more light on the situation is to question DW directly about the origins and evolution of his relationship with Corey…which perhaps he has actually disclosed in some of the videos or writings throughout this whole thing? Anyone follow what they say closely enough and remember where he explained it? Cuz I’m in the dark on that.
My understanding is that Corey told me directly he’s been close friends with DW for 5 years, and I’m not the only one he told…I may even have the pms he told it to me in, but really, if I’m lying or making it up he should feel compelled to tell me, and broadcast it. But I know (and want you to know) he told me they’ve been tight for a long time.
The thing I did see way back in the beginning was the recounting of a vigorous vetting process that was absolutely fool-proof and solid, Corey…and maybe David?....staked their reputation on it. Of course there is no evidence of any vetting happening, but both of them have sterling integrity so I guess we should just accept that. I just find it curious: how did Corey feel being “vetted” by his close friend of 5 years? Why would you go through process if not to provide some sort of evidence to the rest of us? Has any evidence of this vetting been provided?
Am I delusional in my perception that David Wilcock provided no details except for a story of “vigourous vetting” and his only his esteem in the community to create the celebrity duo that’s successfully brought a lot of attention to a myth Shane claims had been “shopped around”? Am I delusional in believing Shane telling us that he spoke countless hours with DW, in hopes of bringing him into the fold (in addition to or rather than Corey?)…and wound up using some of “Shane’s truth” to build into the myth?
I mean, that last one…that’s what all the TOT controversy was all about, DW/CG were early in the myth and had a super-secret contact that ended up being…..Shane. When Shane wouldn’t go along with the total yarn being spun and his pieces being used in it, we had the shitshow at TOT, which was the cult to Corey’s personality & story at the time.
We have Shane here…and Christine continues to add more paint to the picture, her perception of what was going on with evolution of the story and emergence of the ruiner is valuable data. But the best dot-connector would Corey and/or David explaining theirs. If for no other reason…calling Shane the fuckin Ruiner a liar is definitely “in style” within the community, they could get more attention. But ultimately it would help set the record straight, and show how pure their intention is.
Of course I never recon’ed I could convince either of those goes to address that, even back before I had Shane’s perspective…I had Corey’s (we’ve been buds for 5 years) and Davids (I vetted the living shit of him), and no else seemed to see any issue reconciling the two. So I hammered away at Mr. Reasonable, scientific & logic minded bullet-point lover Bill Ryan…after all, he was doing interviews with David Wilcock just about 5 years prior to the CG shitshow. In fact, the two of them were a hell of a team, seeking out super-secret whistleblowers (like Pete Peterson? I’m pretty sure that’s who they teamed up on?).
But I wasn’t exactly in good graces with the dude at the time, and wound up getting booted before he could address my concerns and has not chosen (from what I’ve seen) to reveal anything about his perception of the dude. It seems to me he wanted to wash his hands of Corey, and talking about DW might raise questions on his responsibility in creating a celebrity out of him. Was Bill thinking about riding the Corey train (the way he did with Charles and Simon), but changed his mind…with DW there to pick up the reigns?
Was there a real urgency from someone to get the story into the “community” in the highest profile way possible? That’s my assessment when I allow myself to believe Shane’s account. I mean, am I tripping that DW and BR don’t seemed to have ever communicated publicly? Shouldn’t there have been SOMETHING?? Bill warning him of whatever it was that caused him to drop CG?
…Unless the “old boys’ club” they like being a part of, the kewl kids of the alt community, have the “professional” respect not to fuck with each other’s stories. Meaning we’d never get to know the real reason BR dropped CG, because how could DW then “pick him up” without one or the other losing credibility?
No wonder Kerry Cassidy would do anything she could to get the story like she did in the first ruiner video (where Shane thought/felt she was pushing hard for him to “trash” Corey)…he’s fucking up the paradigm. These guys start discrediting each other, everybody tangentially related is at risk of losing cred. I dunno, it’s so convulted….it’s like I used to say about Avalon: I come for the information, I stay for the drama.
That’s why this is important. The information pool available to us, that we supposedly create, is every bit as captured as the mainstream we claim to be an alternative to...complete with the same exact structural and social issues. If we were different, Bill would explain his relationship with DW, DW would explain his relationship with CG…and the audience would be more interested in HOW their attention was captured (and WHY) than WHAT shiny shit is dangled in front of us.
The solution is the same as we project on to the mainstream…those responsible need to be held accountable. Christine and Shane at least appear to have started to try doing that, others as well.
I don’t even know where I’m going with this mess anymore…and surly not posting on EE as originally intended. Sticking it here to dwell on in the future…………
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Post by donk on Jul 31, 2016 9:09:53 GMT -5
This is the most hilarious thing to me in the "alt media" in a loooong, time...I'm sure very few will have as much with this marathon chat as we did but at 3 hours 17 mins CW is asked about his beliefs on aliens...his story was so funny to me I had to mute I couldn't stop laughing: If he's right and DT is really CG, I have to apologize for every time I alluded to his "material" being amateurish and beyond any sane person's ability to suspend disbelief...this motherfucker is brilliant and a worthy adversary for anyone inclined to engage a battle with a first class mindfucker. You win this round Corey, well played!!!!! *shaking fist at the air in defiance and defeated frustration*
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Post by donk on Apr 26, 2017 6:58:37 GMT -5
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Post by donk on May 23, 2017 10:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Jun 6, 2017 18:01:59 GMT -5
This got buried in my thread on TOT, sticking it here cuz I like it:
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Post by donk on Oct 18, 2017 19:24:33 GMT -5
I was told the other day by an old friend (from the forums) that you have been awfully quiet or busy lately.
Both are true, relative to how I used to be, but the real reason that I barely post is that whether it be intentional or design, the fears and speculations like the ones Bill mentioned above seems to have come to fruition. For me, at least.
Not that I'm a "genuine whistleblower" or professional researcher, but I did used to really enjoy sharing my experiences, no matter how mundane...and discussing them with others. I liked reading and listening to what others experience, and sharing any insights or perspectives I might have with them.
And here's some high speculation for you: I think Bill did too. I like to believe it was what inspired what good work he did and how the Project became popular enough to be more of a discussion board with diversity and decent enough numbers that no one (or three) people could dominate it the way that happens at the smaller forums, where some (like myself) might not participate as much as not to be associated with the prevailing (loudest) belief systems and personalities.
Bill Ryan teaming with Dark Journalist was the nail in the coffin of the possibility of "rational" people being able to discuss extraordinary things. It's great (for the "community") in a sense if it actually helps the most gullible of us to learn discernment, and even better if it energizes more folks to actually start vetting people, asking serious questions, and being less tolerant of hypocrisy.
But all of us know, and those who do the smallest bit of actually vetting, that participating on these forums demands some level of hypocrisy. They are mostly centered around at the very least on some mini-cult of personality, where new-found "whistlebowers" and long disgraced quasi-celebrities are given most of the attention, and tend to be the biggest draw.
BR now (or at least was, before he lost some steam) bringing out these high standards not only make it tough to get a new draw to PA (or the like), the hypocrisy of it coming form him, with his history, should make any thinking person think twice before baring their soul in any of these places. The fact that it took his crusade for "truth" in the community via "debunking" Corey fucking Goode to get him to actually admit he didn't live up to these standards in the past is some kind of crazy paradox that requires a level of double-think, of cognitive dissonance acceptance that who the f*ck would want to listen to someone niave enough to fuel it?
It almost feels like a political campaign, or the early workings of new major religion. Where the "scientific method" and "evidence" based "research" about important accepted beliefs like the SECRET SPACE PROGRAM has turned what we liked to call the "truth" community into a program like everything else in what we used to call the mainstream.
The lines are getting blurred these days. The things coming out of the President's mouth and the teevee's reporting are every bit as crazy as some of the wilder stuff you find in these realms. And everyone is trying to be right, or prove someone else wrong...dictate their truth or shit on someone else's...or both.
I just know that in this kind of environment, I'd be wont to come out of my shell the way I did the way things are now. I looked up to Bill (and Icke and Wilcock and a bunch of others) as solid researchers more interested in truth than attention. I feel I can feel empathy for wanting (BR's, to my mind) to be the place for the important conversations and bombshell disclosures.
Big egos draw big energy...for better or for worse. Some just need to be in control of the reality the create, they can do whatever they think it takes to get it, regardless of whether it requires them to lie to themselves (and others) or not. I dunno...can we create an environment on the interwebs where an ego or a bad idea doesn't predominate?
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