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Post by Truther on Feb 21, 2016 9:11:46 GMT -5
So that thread ends with Dark Quark (spiral...pluto's child...our own Simon? Just a guess) authoritatively declaring "reality" effectively shutting down any need for continued discussion...but banisterio slips in a really good article Funny that you mention Dark Quack, Spiral, pluto's Child, plus multiple other personas. Have you noticed how many forums this troll is a moderator or admin on? I am calling infiltration and manipulation of our forums. I hope you have noticed this ego driven shill too. Truther
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Post by donk on Feb 21, 2016 10:55:26 GMT -5
If you call them "our forums", why do you hide your identity? Tell me who you, or at least who you want me to believe you are...so we can have some context.
I have been leaning toward none of the more vocal/prominent posters being aware of their tendencies we've taken to calling "trolling" behaviors...that any willful/intentional disruptions aren't directly from them, they just have blind spots or personality traits that are easily identified by those who would...so they are targets to be triggered, effective tools
I agree that should be self aware enough to know better, to learn and change and grow in ways to show more responsible behaviors leading to more productive and fruitful conversation, and don't discount the possibility that they may actually be these "government" or "black magic" trolls...but it serves me to take them as they present themselves (as I am doing to you, now), give them the benefit of doubt and assume they are addicted to the "enabling" of the abuse/victim paradigm, which I see as the biggest problem....at least in my real life, which I find these places to be a valuable reflection of from which to gain insights
Do you have personal experience with "twirly" that leads you to see him as more than emotionally immature dude stuck in his loops? I don't see him as ego-driven as I see him as deflecting enabler. At any rate, pointing fingers without anything to validate your perspective, not even the context of who you even are...could make you appear as an ego driven shill trying to start shit...
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Post by Truther on Feb 21, 2016 12:17:37 GMT -5
If you call them "our forums", why do you hide your identity? Tell me who you, or at least who you want me to believe you are...so we can have some context. I have been leaning toward none of the more vocal/prominent posters being aware of their tendencies we've taken to calling "trolling" behaviors...that any willful/intentional disruptions aren't directly from them, they just have blind spots or personality traits that are easily identified by those who would...so they are targets to be triggered, effective tools I agree that should be self aware enough to know better, to learn and change and grow in ways to show more responsible behaviors leading to more productive and fruitful conversation, and don't discount the possibility that they may actually be these "government" or "black magic" trolls...but it serves me to take them as they present themselves (as I am doing to you, now), give them the benefit of doubt and assume they are addicted to the "enabling" of the abuse/victim paradigm, which I see as the biggest problem....at least in my real life, which I find these places to be a valuable reflection of from which to gain insights Do you have personal experience with "twirly" that leads you to see him as more than emotionally immature dude stuck in his loops? I don't see him as ego-driven as I see him as deflecting enabler. At any rate, pointing fingers without anything to validate your perspective, not even the context of who you even are...could make you appear as an ego driven shill trying to start shit... Good afternoon Donk, I appreciate your response and perspective, I have always valued your posts and opinions on other forums. Believe me I am no shill or troll. I am a friend and fellow seeker of truth who like you have witnessed the manipulation, disinformation and deflection done in the past and ongoing on our community forums. When I state our forums I mean truth forums collectively. I was given a link to your forum, and I thought I would venture here to have a look around with a view to registering. (if you will have me on here as you think I may be a shit causing shill?) lol My agenda here initially was to plant a seed, for people who do not realize all of our forums have been infiltrated, possibly by paid individuals or groups positioning themselves in trusted positions where they manipulate and deflect the thoughts and discussions on forums. I am sure you are fully aware of what I am writing. Truther
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Post by Truther on Feb 21, 2016 12:25:16 GMT -5
Ps1 Please Donk do not confuse me with the individuals who wrote on hear concerning Pris and PurpleLama, my conversational exchanges with them both on other forums has only ever been positive and honorable.
Feel free to delete my posts if you do not think they have value.
In friendship Truther
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Post by donk on Feb 21, 2016 15:31:38 GMT -5
I totally value your contribution...and eve if I didn't, I'm sure not into deleting posts. I'm especially intrigued by the seed, I totally keep an eye on that dude myself--he's always "set off flags" for me. But I need to be careful that any personal stuff gets directly addressed/qualified. As much as I value even drama, I feel one of my most important personal purposes is to defuse emotional charge and discover the root/truth of any purpose the drama's presence serves. So I am going to do my best to try to get the planter of a seed here to provide as much information about as it I can get out of the planter . I don't mind you not registering and understand hesitance to bear you soul so to speak...but I gotta try to get you too, that's definitely one purpose for my presence In fact you actually contributed enough to add a lot of contex for myself, thanks for that...and the kind words
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Post by donk on Feb 21, 2016 15:41:33 GMT -5
Ps1 Please Donk do not confuse me with the individuals who wrote on hear concerning Pris and PurpleLama, my conversational exchanges with them both on other forums has only ever been positive and honorable. Feel free to delete my posts if you do not think they have value. In friendship Truther Do you think more than one individual (besides yourself) posted on this thread? I'm kicking around whether it's one dude or not. its hard for me to be satisfied with any motive I can put on it/them...it's just bizarre ...as to the other two: honorable and positive exchanges with pris??? You gotta log them in the "anomalous experiences" bro...I haven't had one of those in a long time I kid cuz I love...anyway, Until PL started "helping" her and others by pointing out "harassers"/trolls I could say the same-m as you, and the only problem with those are because those "service intended" posts fueled that view Sherlock posted up, an idea I don't like entertaining...or defending. I consider him a friend who understands me pretty well, I think, so hopefully he smells what I'm cookin here
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Post by donk on Feb 21, 2016 15:42:28 GMT -5
Dupe post, trying to correct typos above...
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Post by Truther on Feb 22, 2016 4:10:45 GMT -5
[/quote]Do you think more than one individual (besides yourself) posted on this thread? I'm kicking around whether it's one dude or not. its hard for me to be satisfied with any motive I can put on it/them...it's just bizarre ...as to the other two: honorable and positive exchanges with pris??? You gotta log them in the "anomalous experiences" bro...I haven't had one of those in a long time Good point maybe I am stretching it a bit with Pris, lol She is a bit of a wild chick and says it how it is, which gets her a bad name plus plenty of people willing to take her on. I honestly do not know anything about the black magic comments aimed at Pris and PurpleLama, I certainly do not think it's anything to do with "the one". Why would he go from forum to forum trolling them? My gut tells me it's someone or group trying to stir a shit storm and divide the community. Whoever it is knows us all very well. I want to plant a seed Donk, we need to "WTFU". How can we truly awaken and have a positive impact for the better when we can't see the manipulators who are in plain sight? I find it very worrying and wonder how it could be possible that an individual is on every forum as a moderator or admin, online 24/7. They have got the keys to all our forums and private information on every member. There is sure to be many more who continue to go unnoticed. However, it could all be bollocks. In friendship, Truther
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Post by Guest on Feb 22, 2016 8:53:37 GMT -5
Pris and PurpleLama are not trolls. Not the paid kind anyway. You were there, donk. Do you really think they were in cahoots? You saw how the "group" left one forum and joined another. They were followed every step of the way. Some people have annoying personalities, but that does not make them trolls. Forums are a big mind game. The best players are the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes. They are good at steering their own threads and the forums in general. Are the trolls the ones who shift the focus? I see no need for paid trolls, members derail without help.
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Post by donk on Feb 22, 2016 9:40:29 GMT -5
I don’t think Pris is aware of what she’s doing, she seems to just be stuck a loop that I first noticed with her reaction to her own outrage at Malc and TOT when she was on the “freedom” revolution she re-tells as her leading 200-250 peeps out of that place (at the peak of the cult of the blue avians, “coincidentally”): earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=516&p=3544&hilit=200#p3544She claims to experience pretty much everything differently than I remember, I may be completely delusional but I know that we live in two completely different realities, and she gets pissy with me whenever I tried to reconcile that. At any rate, I believe where she says at the end there that “she’s not interested in taking over any forums” as she made her 300th (+) post (there’s 3666 total right now!!...I remember noticing she was over 11% of total when I checked) in a forum where she was on every thread…after all, she needs the obvious stated for her, and even then she’s good at missing it. So I can only take her on her word, give her the benefit of the doubt that she believes what she says, including the stuff that directly contradicts something she said earlier. As hard as it is for me to understand the type, I recognize it…I’ve seen it a lot, it’s not unique—or consciously agenda driven…from what I can tell. I tend to believe it’s a self awareness/emotional maturity thing…someone as reactionary is super easy to target. Which makes PL’s recent “calling out” of numerous posters…being the “warning light” Pris claims to be, open him up to accusations like Sherlock’s…which like with Pris (and PL), I try to consistently give the benefit of the doubt. In his case, having interacted…befriended him…outside of the forum, it doesn’t take much posting wise to show my thoughts/feelings on, if he’s consciously, intentionally deviously disrupting the community I have come to know that he’s always contributed valuably to and tended to “protect”….then we’re really fucked, eh? No…I just entertain the idea because like anything else, NOTHING is entirely outside the realm of possibility, but when brought out into the light, we can often expose deception. And whenever someone acts “not themselves”, it is going to cause confusion….so I dragged that shit out, then addressed him directly, I’m fairly certain we understand each other fairly well. I agree with you, that the real “trolls” are behind the scenes. I expected to think like I do, that the stuff he was doing not only was playing “their game, their way”, but also set off Pris, instead of aiding as he believed himself to be doing. I was wrong, but I did have these thoughts, and shared them. They did give others the impression Sherlock has, so I thought it was good to hash out. That’s a big purpose for this forum, drawing out the “trolls”, working on our ways of fueling them, working out problems exhaustively before we “move on”…trying something different. We’ll see how it works out, I guess…thanks for popping in.
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